How much they earn is always relative to what others earn and to what real prices are. Based on my observations, and I'm sure their not shared by the majority, I don't you think do, "boss." Democratic market socialism with more big corps providing jobs?No thanks. It is the result of people having very little concern with what goes on outside their bubble.
That is why Jacque wants to put everyone in those white, igloo-type homes.And since people consume different goods and services, without money, it is impossible to have a system where everyone is consuming equally (if equal consumption is your goal).Lastly, we cannot automate enough jobs. There is a greater sense of accomplishment plus one feels healthier from all the exercise.. will this be considered in payment value? So the Economic Calculation Debate began as a debate between a capitalist system with money and markets and a socialist system without money and markets.The debate started with Ludwig von Mises claiming that you cannot run an economy without money and markets generating prices. Let them see for themselves that equal splitting of the final output either reduces everyone’s welfare or someone’s freedom. I also think that solution is appealing enough to generate enough support to make changes to the system.Even if it does not result in the overthrow of capitalism, it could still make significant changes. But I could very well be wrong about their support for a non-capitalist system.Socialism is nice and all, but what about abolishing the whole money system in its entirety? And the known alternatives to the status quo only appeal to a certain niche demographic. the govt is not your mommy and daddy.Agreed, but when people cheat and steal we deserve justice and redress.The 1% have mugged the 99%. But a brick tutor with columns would not be among the choices. However the vast majority of fans choose to watch pro baseball when there are so many other venues they could patronize. Thanks for the link.When people claim that their results are entirely the product of their own effort, I tell them to do the same exact thing starting from some shack on a garbage dump in Liberia where many Liberians grow up and see where they wind up.you, elizabeth warren, obama, all the students of marx.I am the student of common sense, compassion and fairness. That group controls the finances to every major economy of the world. I cautioned you because I didn't want a pro-OWS guy getting banned. And you don't see any problem with that?And who is the useful idiot? they were immigrants.they took land from others that lived here.So theft and murder is ok because everyone is doing it? Let's try again.So the theft and murder necessary to privatize the planet is ok because everyone is doing it? The question of what to produce (how should resources be allocated) is mostly subjective. Like 90% for us! It is impossible.I agree people would not want a system that has 1 income or 2 possible incomes.
Perhaps by reminding them that in today’s world goods and services are not manna – they must be produced through cooperative activity – you might clarify their thinking. I want to be inclusive in order to possibly grow the movement. The result is everybody loses. You seem like a good guy, and definitely passionate about this cause and that's what's important, not whether we get along.Just average. Its a cultural problem. It is to replace capitalism with democratic market socialism. But be careful as others see these comments too and well they can be easily mis-taken.I understand. It is important to understand that when consumers purchase a product, they are not doing it because they love the way that company allocates its revenue among its workers. If we changed the economic system, the culture will change too.You are confusing and economic model with a political one. Can you imagine the resistance to that, even by the mid income workers?Making the minimum wage $25k would not solve any problems. People universally answer that they want it to be equal.I have seen that before. But you still would be poor and struggling.The majority DO NOT care about wealth disparity. Economists do not say this often enough. Workers shouldn't have to work for free for 6 months every year just to pay off the gambling winnings of investors.A system where workers, who produce everything, are paid half the income and a few lucky gamblers, who produce nothing, are paid the other half is absurd.Of course, you need investment money to run an economy. If you are not giving people a reason, that is your fault, not theirs.People are currently offered the choice between the status quo and the status quo light. Yet where are all the people lining up to get involved to fix it?
It is also clear that splitting final output equally is normally unfair by this standard; a standard of fairness favored by many on left, especially social justice advocates.Recall that in our second example you received 12 while I received 4. Everything else is secondary.Revolutions happen all the time throughout history. It is all worked out. We must discover the faults, if any, and we do this through a process of logic. We have debated the alternatives to capitalism through a peer reviewed process and found out which is the best. Wealth should not equal political power. So how do you figure less? Well said. And by that I mean OWS since you probably thought I meant the Republicans.Sorry, I was being a little tongue in cheek. These 10 units are our respective opportunity costs of cooperating. **Now if you and I cooperate in some way, a natural question is how the output should be divided to produce a fair outcome. But I do not think the are. This is why most people think pretty clearly about work and reward in such societies.But most people have no theory for where goods and services come from in large, complex, free market societies. lolIf the Native Americans privatized America and did not fairly share it with the Europeans, or anyone else, they would be just as wrong as the Europeans who slaughtered them.The planet does not belong exclusively to the Native Americans any more than it does to the Europeans.Privatization, using force to claim ownership of a part of the planet you do not rightfully own, Freedom is the power to act without coercion or force. Then reap what you sow!
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